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[BajaGringo]

This is a subject that just won't go away and while it is easy to blame lawlessness in Mexico for the problem I have long said that the USA shares a large part of the blame due to a never ending addiction to these drugs. Here is a point of view written by Patrick Osio, a well respected border journalist for many years:

U.S. Drug Users: Main Cause for Mexico’s Bloodbath

The Narco related drug violence that has created so much insecurity in the border region separating Mexico and the USA is a shared responsibility and there is plenty of blame to be spread around, including the way the US press has covered the problem. Tijuana has long suffered for being the busiest port of entry to the USA and through which many of these drugs have passed to meet the drug habits of our compadres to the north...

[jdcs167]

This is a great article on how both sides are really to blame. Mexico is just the fall guy for the millions of people that think the US is the perfect world.
like the mexican saying goes "We dont export it, unless you demand it".

[BajaGringo]

It is a social problem in the USA. The drugs are readily available and much cheaper in Mexico yet drug consumption is not a problem on the level that it is in the USA. We are truly in a global economy today and that includes drugs. Like all products, they will naturally flow to where demand is high. The balance of supply to demand will set the price.

Personally I don't think we will change people's attitudes about them with the hundreds of billions that have been spent over the years in fighting them. I say just legalize them and tax them. I don't suspect we will see any higher number become addicted to the drugs than the alcoholics who can't say no to a drink. I have someone close to me fighting an addiction to heroine and he reminds me very much of another I know fighting his addiction to alcohol.

Whether it be alcohol, crack or heroine, the net effect is the same.

[Chiquito]

Personally I'm totally in favor of Heroine and am totally addicted to mine.


Pronunciation:
\ˈher-ə-wən, ˈhir-, ˈhe-rə-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin heroina, from Greek hērōinē, feminine of hērōs
Date:
1609

1 a: a mythological or legendary woman having the qualities of a hero b: a woman admired and emulated for her achievements and qualities

2 a: the principal female character in a literary or dramatic work b: the central female figure in an event or period
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[BajaGringo]

Ha ha...

OK - you caught me! Thank God for spell checking in Word when I write my columns or I would get 20 emails a day from that kind of stuff. So I will leave it there in my original post and see how many more insist on rubbing it in -

Just wait my friend. I will be lurking and waiting for my opportunity to return the favor...

:wink:

[Chiquito]

Sometimes I can't control myself... :oops: :roll:

[sdc]

I agree that demand is fueling the problems but demand doesn't put guns in the hands of criminals and make them shoot up entire cities...Just because peole are in a illegal importation business doesn't mean they need to act like pyschopaths.

The international drug problem may never see a solution...

[tijuanalunchbunch]

I've know Patrick Osio for many years and he calls them right on the money again and again. If there was no demand here, there would be no trafficking and all this drug war in Mexico is about is trafficking.

I've also posted that there is a conspiracy by US media and chambers of commerce to use this drug war as a scare tactic to keep US dollars in the Us instead of going south of the border in these hard economic times. Oh well, there IS always a conspiracy, isn't there?

:twisted:


jim

[Chiquito]

There are too many all too willing to stab others in the back for personal gain. This is why I don't believe in most conspiracy theories. They take cooperation and there is just too little of it, except among oil companies.

[BajaGringo]

I agree that demand is fueling the problems but demand doesn't put guns in the hands of criminals and make them shoot up entire cities...Just because peole are in a illegal importation business doesn't mean they need to act like pyschopaths.

The international drug problem may never see a solution...

You are right and I didn't mean to justify anything that is going on down on this side of the border. There is no justification for it and it needs to be acknowledged for what it is. My point was that I have been watching endless network broadcasts of late in the USA covering what is going on and they talk about all of this as being a "Mexican" problem, when in fact the USA has much blame to shoulder in the problem.

There was a report I saw recently that gave an interesting fact that many of the high caliber/automatic weapons found on Narco's here in Mexico are weapons reported as "missing" from US military bases.

I wonder how that happened???

:roll:

[jdcs167]

"There was a report I saw recently that gave an interesting fact that many of the high caliber/automatic weapons found on Narco's here in Mexico are weapons reported as "missing" from US military bases".

"I wonder how that happened???"

Having been in the military I know how this could happen. Its not the brightest and most honest people working in the armory. AND when you get a nice chuck of change to make a weapon or some weapons disappear, it sure beats the military's pay. I had buddies do time for taking a few hundred to cross immigrants thru camp pendleton to avoid the check point and I also heard of a few weapons disappear after training exercises claiming they fell into the ocean etc.

[BajaGringo]

That is exactly my point. The problem exists because there are people willing to break the law on both sides of the border - not just Mexico and this is not just a Mexican problem.

The USA needs to own up to its contribution to the problem...

[sdc]

I personally think the new negative press is due to the fact that the new party in power in Tijuana doesn't have the same ties to the press and San Diego as the PRI did with Hank. And that they are trying to the PAN through the mud so that the PRI can get back into power in Tijuana and Nothern Baja. Just my theory....

[groyalc]

Definitly the fault of both. The best solution would be to seal the borders with the help of the military. That would cut down on the trafficing and other lawbreakers immensely.

[Chiquito]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Miggiesmallz- TEXMEX]

Definitly the fault of both. The best solution would be to seal the borders with the help of the military. That would cut down on the trafficing and other lawbreakers immensely.

That will solve the problem BlewGenes...

[BajaGringo]

Definitly the fault of both. The best solution would be to seal the borders with the help of the military. That would cut down on the trafficing and other lawbreakers immensely.

That will solve the problem BlewGenes...

[galvezis]

It is a social problem in the USA. The drugs are readily available and much cheaper in Mexico yet drug consumption is not a problem on the level that it is in the USA. We are truly in a global economy today and that includes drugs. Like all products, they will naturally flow to where demand is high. The balance of supply to demand will set the price.

Personally I don't think we will change people's attitudes about them with the hundreds of billions that have been spent over the years in fighting them. I say just legalize them and tax them. I don't suspect we will see any higher number become addicted to the drugs than the alcoholics who can't say no to a drink. I have someone close to me fighting an addiction to heroine and he reminds me very much of another I know fighting his addiction to alcohol.

Whether it be alcohol, crack or heroine, the net effect is the same.

hey baja! how u been?! Anyway, they will never legalize any drugs...it gives the MAN a reason to pull over someone and screw them...

[BajaGringo]

Why do you think we have so many laws in the USA? Crime is big business for government. Ask anyone who has been busted on a minor possession charge and how much it ended up costing them to get through the system, even without doing jail time. It is big business - don't kid yourself that it's not...

And I am doing great, thank you. How have you been?

[galvezis]

Why do you think we have so many laws in the USA? Crime is big business for government. Ask anyone who has been busted on a minor possession charge and how much it ended up costing them to get through the system, even without doing jail time. It is big business - don't kid yourself that it's not...

And I am doing great, thank you. How have you been?

Very well...getting ready for the big fight tomorrow...IF U KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!! The laws won't change because our government (U.S.) benefits from it as you have stated...all we can do is be as legit as we can and follow them...but if u don't caught then are u braking any laws? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around does it make a sound? Chicken or the egg? I can go on forever...u get my drift...