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[Ekdogg]

Dear Jim,

I am surprised that you would take my "critique" (it was hardly that) in high dudgeon. It would seem that you take your wine quite seriously. As I have stated, I do not. I simply enjoy an occasional glass of tinto with my meals. Are you an enologist? You remind me of the character Miles in the film Sideways.

As a consumer, I believe I have the right to give my opinion about products I have tried and not been happy with. If that means "stepping on a few toes," so be it. My experience with Mexican wines has been so negative that I have stopped consuming them. I always like to remain open-minded, however, and if wine makers in Baja California have improved their techniques in recent years--as you imply they have--I shall look forward to sampling some of their vintages in the near future.

Regards,

Ekdog

[sunni_olsen]

I take wine pretty seriously - the mexican red wines are very good, especially mt xanic and santo tomas. Also I like most of the reds from argentina and chile, but don't care for concha y toro ( a little too sour).

I haven't found a good mexican chardonnay though. Too me, they're similar to "carlo rossi".

JMHO,
Pat :roll:

[Ekdogg]

I'm keen on some of the reds from Chile and Argentina, too, Pat. We can agree on that.

[Chiquito]

Most of the vinyards between Tecate and Ensenada are owned by L.A. Cetto winery. Here's a webpage for Mexican wines ...

http://mexicanwines....esentation.html

I have not tried any of them.

[JimLane]

There is a distinct difference between vinyards and wineries. Large wineries may have multiple vinyards, just as they do here in the US.

There are nearly 20+ wineries in Valle de Guadalupe, probably a hundred vinyards.

Your source is neat but very limited.

This is a lisitng I have. I have NOT checked all these URLs. Hope the spelling are all correct.

www.cettowine.com or www.lacetto.com
www.vinos-domeq.com.mx
www.vinosliceaga.com
www.adobeguadalupe.com
www.vinowcasadepiedra.com
www.chateau-camou.com
www.vinesterra.com
www.montexanic.com
www.baronbalche.com
(Cava don Juan - no addy)
www.santotomas.com.mx
www.cavasvalmar.com.mx
(Tres Valles - no addy)
(Bibayoff - no addy)
www.videsyvinoscalifornios.com
(Vinos Pijoan - no addy)
Vincola Don Juan (?? May be above)/ Vinos Suenos (No addy)
www.donalupe.com
(La Farga - no addy)
(Vinos Albarolo - no addy)

These above are the ones I have a listing for in a pamphlet - Ruta de Vino.

Enjoy.



jim

[JimLane]

BTW, EKDogg, everyone should have an opinion, but when you are giving out OLD information, it is only fair to point this out as the wine field, like many others, is not static but dynamic. Call it a basic courtesy. You are stepping on ten-year-old toes and that is STALE information. But, because you have concelaed that, you are falsely leaving the reader to think this is current information.

Think of it this way - you take over a restaurant, keeping the name for the goodwill and bring in new chefs, staff and menus. I post a review of that place from eight years ago slamming it.

Is that fair to anyone who reads my post? No.

Is it fair to the establishment? Certainly not. And especially when you are not an active participant and cannot defend yourself here.

Now, were I to say my last experience there was ten years ago and this was the status then, it lets the reader know that my words should not only be taken with a bit of salt, but with a lot.

You can have any opinion you want. I ask that you present it fairly and honestly. and let us know when this took place.


jim

[Ekdogg]

Dear Jim,

With regard to your latest harangue, I respectfully ask that you tame your rhetoric. Most Americans and our Mexican neighbors are not wont to take umbrage at such mundane issues as whose wine is the best. We leave that kind of haughty behavior to the French, the Spanish, et al. If we like something, we say so; if we do not, we are open about that, too.

I have been forthcoming about my lack of experience with Mexican wines in recent years and my willingness to give them another try. That is why I asked for your advice in my first post.

As you seem to be sentimentally (and economically?) attached to the Mexican wine industry, I shall take any further comments you make on this issue cum grano salis.

I look forward to discussing other less emotive topics with you.

Warm regards,

Ekdog

[richsinc]

Now, now guys...........

Just open a bottle of good German Mosel or Rhine (if you can find it here) and mellow......

(BTW that opinion is up to date 02/25/06)

[Ekdogg]

Well, I've got a bottle of Ribera del Duero here. ¡Salud!

[richsinc]

This will sure cut down on your beer budget...

Thieves make off with $26,000 of beer
Semi trailer loaded with Miller goes missing in Wisconsin

AP WEST BEND, Wis. - Authorities are hoping to break up what must be quite the party after beer thieves made off with almost $26,000 worth of suds from a delivery truck.

A semi trailer loaded with cans and bottles of Miller beer was stolen from a trucking company in Richfield, according to a Washington County Sheriff's Department report. The trailer was found four days later — sans beer — at an Oak Creek trucking firm.

The trailer had been dropped off at the Millis Transfer Co. sometime on Feb. 17 for.......

If you like Miller, come on over?

[Chiquito]

Really almost all wine makes me want to puke. I have just noticed that the large majority of vinyards when I have driven from Tecate to Ensenada have signs that say L.A. Cetto. There are certainly many others but they don't post as many signs. Just trying to offer a little info.

[Scooby]

This will sure cut down on your beer budget...

Thieves make off with $26,000 of beer
Semi trailer loaded with Miller goes missing in Wisconsin

AP WEST BEND, Wis. - Authorities are hoping to break up what must be quite the party after beer thieves made off with almost $26,000 worth of suds from a delivery truck.

A semi trailer loaded with cans and bottles of Miller beer was stolen from a trucking company in Richfield, according to a Washington County Sheriff's Department report. The trailer was found four days later — sans beer — at an Oak Creek trucking firm.

The trailer had been dropped off at the Millis Transfer Co. sometime on Feb. 17 for.......

If you like Miller, come on over?

Beer, Wisconsin -- boy, I sure had fun in those days.
That's funny though. Probably some college kids swiped all that beer.

[JimLane]

an Aussie Merlot. I have no particular attachment to any country's wine industry. I do have an attachment about being straight forward and truthful. That is where we are at odds.

I would have put the limitations on what I was saying right up in the first post. That is honest writing.

Consider it an ethics and value issue, not a wine issue.


Now, back to this wine.


jim

[richsinc]

Now, Now guys.......(second advisory?)

Entschuldigung, darf ich Ihnen etwas fragen?

Why didn't you take my 2 cents worth and just mellow with a great Mosel Riesling? Then you wouldn't be arguing about Mexican wines at all..........
Deuschtland vino uber alles??? Hey, and I am Scot-Irish.........
Now if you want to talk about Scotch, Irish, or real Rye whiskey............

Scoobey; been to Elkhart Lake? Oconomawoc?

[Alicia]

I also love good German wines. There are some really interesting ones, jawohl!

I still have not yet tried any Mexican ones -- anyone know a good one or two which can be bought at the local Gigante or Ley? My birthday is coming up and I'll buy some for then probably.

Or any remarkable wine shops?

[richsinc]

Alicia;

We'll have to sample some wines at the next Blogger's meeting?; I am not familiar with Mexican wines at all. We can learn together.

Happy to be Birthday too.

[JimLane]

I would suggest looking at some of the websites and read the wine descriptions. If you find a Chateau Camou or Monte Xanic they would be good choices. I've had some good Liceaga's, but cannot remember the vintage or grape. Sto. Tomas also has some good wines. For Cetto, get the XA wines. They should be available most anywhere.

BTW, do not forget to check in CostCo or Smart & Final in Tijuana. They both carry a selection of wines.

For your birthday, try selecting something that compliments what you will eat.


jim

[richsinc]

What a novel concept; eat food and drinks that go together...........

But yet I still puzzle over should I drink Italian or Hawaiian wine with my pineapple/ham pizza??? And what about my Belgium waffles; where can you find Belgium wines ? Much less English wines for the Beef Wellington?

[JimLane]

So as not to tax your mind, try beer with pizza. It works with all flavors and would spare you the decision of which white to have with your seafood pizza and so on.

For breakfast, I would recommend Champaign for the Belguium waffles, perhaps with the same fruit as on your waffles.

For Beef Wellington, switch to Old Crow, it fits you.

Done playing the ass yet?


jim

[JimLane]

I'm taking a time out.


jim